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I remember one of the concerns about a spam community was that it would take attention away from the actual game (that is, everyone's playing on the meme and not actually doing any 'real' tags, which I think did happen a couple of times, lol). Because the game is already so slow, I think this concern might still be valid. However, I'm just bringing it up, idk if it's that important. But if we make one, maybe we should just use

discedoworks since it's already there?

Edited 2011-06-21 23:40 (UTC)

Yes, that's a concern we have as well and the main reaon we haven't yet. But with the size of the game now, we're willing to give it a try—if the game becomes meme central, we can simply, you know, moderate the number of memes. But most games manage to balance the two; Discedo also could! Plus, with the number of open memes that exist pretty much daily nowadays, it seems like if people want to distract themselves with them… there are many ways to do that already. At least, we're tentatively willing to give it a shot.

And yes, Discedoworks is something we were thinking about, since it already exists. On the other side, since it's so dead/never used, "starting fresh" also has a kind of appeal.

~~Also don't mind my grammar I am so exhausted~~

Let people post them in OOC, problem solved, more people would see them that way too, also it's silly to have five thousand communities for the game here.

We'd prefer to keep the OOC community for plotting/intros/hiatus/relevant things, rather than spam.

You've already posted memes in the OOC though, we're not that fast paced a game anymore it wouldn't really be an issue, plus people would just spam up OOC linking it all anyways like we do with playmyace because no one sees anything if it's not in OOC. It's easier if it's in OOC. If you really have to use something using discedoworks is best, it's silly making an entire new community have to say, especially when our memes don't take off that much to start with as I am sure you have noticed.

We have, when they were a once a month/mod posted thing; ie when we could pretty much plan when they were going up/space them out. While I very much doubt Discedo would become meme central, there is still the chance of say 3 memes in two weeks, and that would crowd OOC up quite a bit. If the game does become larger, I imagine the meme number would go up too. Not a bad thing, but again, OOC should be mainly for OOC hiatuses/adds/whatever. It's pretty easy to say "oh just for now we can do it like this," but it's better in the long run to plan it out (however we end up doing so) so we don't have to change it later on. I don't know what exactly we'll end up doing, but I really don't think OOC will become "OOC and memes and spam."

Actually from what I recall there was little to no planning in our previous memes and there are plenty of games that do just fine with memes in the OOC and having 2-3 a week, Edensphere for example who also happens to be around the same pace as Discedo and I believe has a playerbase around Discedo's size. Important modposts should most definitely not be going in OOC, but Discedo, which I believe they have as of late, we also have a friend/add remove every week also posted in Discedo. There's nothing really to not have memes be put in OOC.

I don't mind Discedoworks being used either, but we don't need another whole new community. It's nice there's been some visual tidying up going on, but in this area it's getting a little silly.

Maybe planning was the wrong word, but we mods would always check when the last one was/what was going on in the game (plots, important posts, HMD two days before, etc.) before putting up a meme. Not planned in advance, but planned in terms of timing.

Anyway, thank you for your opinions.

Nooo I don't think that was taken into account in some cases either. But sure, I hope you take everyone's opinions into account!

Oh actually. EVEN BETTER. Just do like Jenna does and make this a poll, how silly I totally forgot about that. That's always the best way when asking though :3 If you don't know how to make one I'm sure Jenna can help you out when she gets back!

I know how to make polls. But we mods will talk and decide options before one can be made.

Oh. It seems rather pointless asking our opinions then since they can't have any bearing that way.

Options are based on opinions!

Your opinions :( which is nice, but it's kind of unfair to ask us when ours don't count and you don't even have this sorted out with the other mods... Maybe after you talk it over with the rest of them we can have a poll on the options all of you have come up with together.

I don't think I ever said that, so please don't say I did. I have your opinion; thank you for it; it will be taken into account as with any/all others.

You said the mods would decide options, if you haven't even talked to any of them yet and you don't want our opinions for a poll at this time it seems silly. I'm only taking what you're telling me Parron. Maybe this would have been better for when everyone else wasn't on hiatus... It's hard to say anything if the other mods aren't on the same page here.

Please stop trying to pick an argument, Cat.

I'm not I'm trying to give an opinion and you're telling me it's no good because you don't have opinions with the other mods. I'm sorry if you see it that way, but I'm seriously confused here with what you're doing...

Okay. I'll try to explain a little more clearly.

This question in the post was to get an initial gauge of player opinions, so we could talk about what to do and figure out our options. Your opinion is registered and will be discussed, as with Molly's and anyone else's who has one to offer! But I can't say "oh, okay, we'll do what you want" (or whoever wants), because this is just an initial feeling reaction kind of thing. If five people had gone "oh, we don't want a spam community!", then we would probably go "oh, let's not bother pursue this then." There's no point in making a spam community if no one cares, after all! If people show interest or concerns, as you and Molly did in that order, we can take all that and sit down and go "okay, if we're going to do this, there's this issue and this question blah blah" and figure out where we stand and the ways it's feasible to go about things from there. For example, "let's not use OOC because it might get crowded, should we rework Disco Works, should we start fresh, what about x" etc. etc. etc. I'm sure you get what I mean lol. After that, we can make a poll or decision if there's only one good option (which I am not saying it is, just, that is the order!).

Does that make a little more sense? I admit I am not always that great at explaining myself!

Well we did have opinions asked about memes a while back if I remember, you already know options, no memes, continue with suggest to a mod, ooc, discedoworks, new community, you could leave an "other" slot on the poll as we've done in the past and I think has worked very well. If you've talked to the other mods and you're all open to the idea I am confused I guess then why this can't just be a poll... It's not about "my opinion winning", it's about making sure everyone's opinion counts and polls are the best way for that sort of thing, it lets you gauge a much wider percent of the playerbase than "comment if you don't agree".

Polls are a good way, but not every option is always feasible. I mean let's face it, sometimes there are options that are just dumb, or that we don't personally like for whatever reason, or- whatever. I'm not saying that it's in this case, just, in general, LJRP isn't a democracy? And sorry, let me get theoretical for a second— not literal— because I actually think this is interesting—

If I sat down and said "everyone, tell me what you want Discedo to be like," and everyone commented with all sorts of ideas, and all these ideas were good on their own, it would still be a bad idea to do them all at once. Like, oh, crack ideas and drama ideas are both fun, but don't usually mix well. Some people might want, IDK, ten new scientists to be played on the same standards as any other character. Some people might want more death, but others don't want characters to die, etc. I'm sure you can imagine what I mean. If you try to please everyone, no one gets pleased in the end. It's kind of counter intuitive, but it's seriously the case. To go back to the spam example, if I said "okay, we're making a brand new spam community because 2 people want it," you'd get pissed off. And it's easy to say "majority rules," but even then, unfairly or not, the mod's opinions have to count on a different level. Not that I as a mod want to annoy my players of course, but if you for example said "Knowlton should be the friendliest and most active character in Discedo," I'd be like "where am I gonna have time to play all this???". If someone said "make this insanely complicated plot happen, also Jenna, draw maps for it all," same thing. Obviously those are extreme examples, but it goes for little things too. Do apps on another day, let people challenge apps, change AC rules, etc. It's not that we don't change things/haven't, of course, just that in the end mods have to use judgement as mods before trying to make every single player in the game happy, because if you try to do that, no one will be happy. It's kind of like why people always complain "committees never get anything done." And it kind of sounds weird to say it, but it's also true. LJRP is more like a business than a democracy.

So anyway as much as I love rambling about the theoretical side of RP, it's not the point! What I'm trying to say I guess is that making a poll with 6-7 different choices, even if (or especially if) they're all good options, means that there's no clear majority/answer. All the ones you listed could work, after all. It's not like something silly like "ALL MEMES MUST BE IN DISCEDO LOGS AND BE ABOUT CUPCAKES!" There's not a wrong answer to this. So it's probably better, I personally think, to talk it over, narrow it down to 3 or so options depending on what is easiest/most convenient in the long term for the game, and what we mods can handle, and xyz that I can't think of if Otter or someone has another one, and then present those options to the players to vote from. I know that it sounds kind of… ehh, but for example, if there was an option we mods really didn't like/couldn't do, that has to be weighed before what the players like. I KNOW IT SOUNDS KIND OF SKETCHY, and frankly I'm still mostly talking in theoretical terms and not about spam/memes haha, because it's spam/memes and not exactly important. (If we were talking like game rules, yeah, then it would be.)

Everyone's opinion counts! And we really want to make as many people happy as possible! But we also have to make sure as mods that, IDK, if I say "all memes will be posted here," Otter won't go "wow I can't handle that." Or whatever. So that's why the order is player gauge > mod talk > poll/results, as opposed to just "players want sharks! Let's throw in sharks!" Even though sharks would be awesome!

AGAIN PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS THEORETICAL STUFF LITERALLY; NOT JUST YOU, ANYONE. I love it and ramble and it is not a veiled message in any way shape or form.

Ah... well all those theoretics didn't actually apply to what I asked about, though the theories on how LJRP compares to non-internet life is definitely interesting. My comment was about expressing everyone's opinions clear and concisely, not going with a random one. That's just all I want to see, certainly mods capabilities do weigh in, but if you want our opinions, a poll is the best way to go with an other option for options not listed. Which I'm pretty sure memes were asked about and guaged on the last game feedback post and there was interest, but I don't think there was ever any follow up with concrete options or decisions.

Mostly it's just been shown in the past more of the playerbase participates and it's clearer to everyone and the mods how the game would like to swing as a whole with a poll. If the memes are supposed to be regulated regardless of what gets picked though I can understand why this would need some more discussion with the other mods first because that definitely does put more work on you guys and you already do a lot. I mean I guess you'd want to make sure things like, idk, sex memes don't get posted or something since I think some players are under 18 and we're not a sex game. I don't mind them, but I do know some players who'd be upset. Same for other ones that could be upsetting.

Like I said, I just find the theoretical stuff really interesting to discuss in general, and always leap at the chance!

Off the top of my head, I know we have a few things already with memes—sex/explicit romantic memes we tend to shy away from, not because we mind that stuff in threads between older players, but because, say, if you play a 10 year old, you can't really join in. IC anon memes we shied away from when we were getting that troll anon (and since all comments would be anon and obstinately IC, it would be much harder to tell what was attacks and what was just… IC). And so on, like you surmised. I think the two main concerns are that memes don't obviously exclude anyone: not everyone has to participate, but no, obvious "must be this old to enter." And the big one is of course the number of memes. Personally I don't think it'd be a problem at all, but in theory Discedo could be meme central and no one would ever play ICly and so on, and even though I don't think it'd happen, we have to consider the possibility. One option was that memes would be submitted posts that mods would have to approve before they appeared, for example, which would lend to a new community rather than retooling an old one since… that would be kind of difficult for obvious reasons if we had to approve all Disco OOC posts. And just asking all the players "how often do you want to post memes?" obviously isn't a solution because… who knows where people will be in a month.

LOL when I write it all out like this it sounds way more complicated, but yeah, tl;dr, I personally think we mods have to talk and come up with a few concrete ideas and then we can have polls/have the players help decide, rather than list every option and see which works. Also with fewer options there's more of a chance for a clear majority which is always useful!!

Alright if you guys are going to be monitoring them still I understand much better, it sounded like you were going to let us just post them up like CnC and Mayfield. I get it a lot better now, thanks ♥

Haha, I don't know either way what we'll end up doing, which is why I didn't want to be like "okay, we'll do this!" But those are concerns yeah.

And no problem! Sorry uh things got a little tense for a minute, I'm glad we were able to continue on.

We've had memes in the past and it doesn't seem to have been a problem, not of late anyways. Maybe two years ago, but that's two years ago. Also Discedo is no longer as plot heavy/time-intensive as it formerly was so I don't think it's as much of an issue if people mess around with a meme for a day or so.

I don't think there are enough memes and fanworks to even use a community, but if you really had to I would say to use the one that's already there.

Anyway though I don't see any problem with continuing to use the ooc comm as usual.

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